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Passion guided by reason's avatar

That conversation seemed too much like trying to nail jelly to a tree.

Your correspondent seemed to be jumbling up concepts of objectivity and subjectivity in a mush, rather than having a coherent concept to promote or defend. I admire your patience in seeking from them some substance with which to agree or disagree, but I don't think the attempt was very successful.

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Pittsburgh Mike's avatar

WRT the discussion, Jane seemed to think that just because something like vision is subjective, that any statement of fact based on seeing something is subjective. But I may not know what you really see when you see red (maybe it looks like blue does to me), but if you blow through a red light in front of the police, that's not going to get you out of a fine.

Even somewhat subjective experiences can lead to statements of replicable facts. If you run a red light, you're breaking the law and might get a ticket. If you see a rocket explode on takeoff, it's gone.

Now, if you're going to argue that everyone sees a completely different reality, well, that's a subject for a Philip Dick novel.

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