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Steve QJ's avatar

"'Perfunctory' doesn't seem to be quite the right word."

😁Yeah, I usually let people get away with using big words they're not quite ready for. Bless 'em.

I think racism is something more than vestigial tribalism (I'd say unconscious bias is closer to that). Racism as in the practice of segregation, say, or in racially motivated violence, is based on a hatred or fear that I can't quite understand.

I've travelled to some fairly remote areas of the world where people certainly reacted to me as if they'd never met a black person before, but while some were a little hesitant, they were almost unfailingly kind once the initial surprise/curiosity wore off.

It's natural to react differently when you encounter somebody different to yourself, there's be no issue of that was all racism was. The mystery is the degree.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I didn't say it's vestigial tribalism; that would be cultural. I'm saying it has a basis in behavior genetics and until recently it was prudent.

Same for religion, I don't know of any human culture anytime in history that didn't have it. I think that if we had generation ships that went on centuries-long trips to other stars and where religion was unknown to the first generation, the ships would arrive full of mummified corpses anyway because religion would re-arise and bifurcate into opposing groups killing each other over doctrinal minutiae.

I don't mean to discourage; I am not saying we need to learn to live with bigotry. Quite the opposite. I'm saying we need to recognize its origins.

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Steve QJ's avatar

"Same for religion, I don't know of any human culture anytime in history that didn't have it. I think that if we had generation ships that went on centuries-long trips to other stars and where religion was unknown to the first generation, the ships would arrive full of mummified corpses anyway"

Hmm, I wonder about this. I'm not disagreeing exactly. Religion is a particularly insistent aspect of human culture, I just feel like we're outgrowing the old forms of it slowly but surely (though we're replacing them with things like "wokeness" I suppose).

But still, I guess that religion serves a purpose that I don't see for racism (again, I'm differentiating between hate and bias). I grew yup watching Star Trek as a kid, so I'm hopeful on both fronts.

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