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Miguelitro's avatar

Unlike the US in Falloujah, Israel uses far more heavy bombs than bullets.

Israel has already lost, and stands to lose far more as it continues on this trajectory, than it will ever gain in security. Its allies, its moral standing in the world, even its arguments for existence after the Holocaust and Russian pogroms have been attenuated by hypocrisy.

What is left to it is raw power. It will exist as a totalitarian religious security state in the future. The liberal Israel we all knew and respected is gone for good I’m afraid.

As a liberal lifelong lover of the Israel of yore, that of the tolerance of Haifa, it's going to be a relic of the past, and I mourn it.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

90% of the people protesting Israel started protesting on October 8th. That's why the moral capital argument falls flat with them.

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Miguelitro's avatar

Back then, I was against them and solidly with Israel. In LA where I grew up, since high school I have been surrounded by Jewish Americans as my best friends, work colleagues (I am a lawyer), and my family. Through their mother, my children are Jewish.

But as this has worn on, I have been forced to change my views, largely spurred on by my daughters. I now see the Israel I knew on a path to internal self-destruction. Sure, it will militarily "prevail" in a literal sense, but at the cost of its standing and its soul.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

Hence, I said 90%

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Miguelitro's avatar

Yes, you are correct. I'm part of the 10%. So, is Steve QJ. Thank you.

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