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Chris Fox's avatar

You shouldn't waste your time trying to explain basics to someone who hasn't taken the trouble to learn anything. "Mental illness" incles maladies that lead people to erupt into violence for no reason. I was nearly murdered by a roommate who deteriorated before my eyes into a helpless schizophrenic. When you see a knife miss you by inches and go into the wall up to the hilt, you don't quibble about sparing the mentally ill any judgment.

I'm sure you know about the MMPI. It needs to constantly be renormalized as we keep on getting crazier.

We accept far too much, and I don't just mean attention-starved people claiming "trans." Change a few words of what religious people believe without substantively changing their beliefs and you could commit them to mental institutions. But we accept this.

And I am not saying we need to expect everyone to think logically; logic is learned, not inborn. But that's another topic.

We, as a world, are getting crazier. Look at the House of Representatives. Jewish space lasers, white supremacy. Look at "woke." Look at the collapsing ecosystem.

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Steve QJ's avatar

""Mental illness" incles maladies that lead people to erupt into violence for no reason."

Absolutely. But sadly people like Rivka aren't interested in the messy realities of mental illness (or any aspect of life really). Life needs to fit within the narrow confines of whatever they find palatable, and anything outside of that is "Nazism".

Thomas Sowell made an interesting (if a little simplistic) point on this. He breaks people down (he uses liberal and conservative but that's *really* simplistic) into those who think that human nature is good and that only systems need to be changed, and those who accept that aspects of human nature re deeply flawed and that there's a limit to how much that can be changed.

The tension between these two extremes is healthy, I think. But a significant number of SJWs don't know how to frame the flaws in human nature and psychology in any other way than to call them evil (they never notice their own flaws of course). And to dismiss people as evil, you have to ignore any extenuating factors like mental illness or the simple possibility that you're wrong.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I think liberal/conservative is the wrong way to slice the pizza. As I’ve said, the SJWs have more in common with NAGA that with real progressives or with good people in general.

I see the slice more as inborn/teleological and retrofit. The reason liberals keep losing is the belief that other people are as logical and reasonable as they are and that appeals to rational thought will win. Conservatives appeal to resentment and hate and hew closer to reality.

People are born with drives, they aren’t born with logic. Logic and reason and reciprocity are acquired, except they usually aren’t.

As for liberals and conservatives, it appears their brains are different.

I’ll write more details when I wake up. Back to sleep.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Thomas Sowell's book, "A Conflict of Visions" https://www.amazon.com/Conflict-Visions-Ideological-Political-Struggles/dp/0465002056 offers a more complete view of the issue than the simple Liberal/conservative labels in common usage. I don't know how many of his books you've read, but he is deeper than that.

Here's a well written review. Obviously different reviewers will have different takes on it. https://www.aei.org/economics/review-thomas-sowells-a-conflict-of-visions/

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Chris Fox's avatar

That’s better than I expected from AEI and I almost stopped reading when the writer went into that “market” crap, but he wasn’t as doctrinaire as I was expecting.

I think economics is mostly pseudoscientific bunk and market forces are pure religion, and I walk out of any discussion that turns to supply and demand.

I’d love to believe that human unity is achievable but I can’t.

I believe we will become extinct before people alive today die of old age, maybe before I do, the only question is how much of the natural kingdom we take with us. And what will kill us is conservatives.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

The MMPI is need to me. I must read up on it.

Mental health is an area far outside my knowledge. My way of looking at the complex issue is probably too simplistic.

Autism, born with a brain that processes information in ways outside norms that present varying degrees of dealing with life.

I think of mental illness as a difference in brain process less about autisms deficiency and more about a lack of rationally. Rationality is related to logic but they are not quite the same. People who can apply logical process can at the same time be irrational.

I've seen drugs and alcohol turn once normal individuals into people properly considered insane and not just while under the influence. Trauma can cause it too.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory

I wrote a long answer and clicked delete by accident

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I saw it before it vanished. Thanks. Or maybe it was the one that's still there at the top level that I perceived as a reply.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Oh, good

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