In my time talking to people online, I’ve made some strange discoveries.
For example, I’ve learned that an astonishing number of people don’t understand what the words male and female mean.
I’ve learned that a frustrating number of people can’t think about any topic without invoking political binaries.
And I’ve learned that a depressing number of people can only think about racial issues in stereotypes and memes.
In my article, Ugh, Fine. Let’s Talk About Black Crime Rates Again, I debunked a few common memes about black criminality. Most of all, that black people are inherently more criminal than any other group. I even went so far as to call the idea stupid.
Max wasn’t so sure.
Max:
“The idea that criminality is innate is just as stupid now as it was 130 years ago.”
Is it? It's one of the questions "The Bell Curve" tries to answer. Every few months an article or book is published disproving what everyone believes is argued by the "Bell Curve" (even though they haven't read it). Why is that?
Let me propose a thought experiment. In secret, you take 100 whites you've tested to have a low IQ and have them make kids. You take 100 blacks you've tested to have a low IQ and have them make kids. The white kids get dispersed in society. The black kids end up having to live in the same neighborhood.
Society then goes to test white kids vs black kids in society. What would it find? If the above it true, why would the majority want to "fix" it?
Further, how could a white fix it if in doing so he/she is labeled a racist? Or a black fix it if he's called an Uncle Tom for accepting white research?
Steve QJ:
“Society then goes to test white kids vs black kids in society. What would it find? If the above it true, why would the majority want to "fix" it?”
I have no idea what it would find. What do you think it would find?
Max:
How can you have no idea? ;) You wrote in your piece, "The black-on-white homicide rate is actually slightly lower than you’d expect through random chance. Because the crowds that black criminals fire into are significantly poorer and blacker than the national average. This is evidence of black ghettoization, not black criminality."
Exactly.
The evidence of lower IQ scores for blacks is weighted by their communities in which few black kids (unlike white kids) are tutored lets say, skewing the results. Further, you have institutionalized ghettoization (which isn't just a black thing). There's some skewing in the other direction with Jews, who are institutionalized to study.
Anyway, I'd find that blacks have lower scores. But people make the wrong argument, that it's about education, not genes (IMO). BTW, the Bell Curve found Asians with higher IQs than Jews and Jews higher than European Whites, if one wants to look at that, but that's ignored.
By arguing that it is NOT genetics causing problems with blacks the majority (whites) can make it a choice of blacks (if they don't want to learn, it's their fault). We can kick the problem down the road. But if you DO look at genetics, then I believe you do see differences BUT, because you have nowhere to hide, you see how ghettoization and the business of arresting and locking up blacks is the biggest problem of all.
A country that has any prison population that doesn't match that of the racial composition its BY MY DEFINITION racist. I get blank stares.
No one wants to hear what I have to say, black or white! HAHA
Steve QJ:
“A country that has any prison population that doesn't match that of the racial composition its BY MY DEFINITION racist. I get blank stares.”
Haha, I think the blank stares may be a result of you not making any sense my friend. Or, at least, of not explaining your point clearly.
So you're saying that black people are genetically inferior with regards to intelligence, and that's why, what, it's wrong to ghettoise and lock up black people? Maybe it's my low IQ, but you're going to have to explain that one a bit more clearly.
If black people are genetically inferior, doesn't it stand to reason that they'll be overrepresented in the prison population? Isn't the claim of genetic inferiority the perfect place to hide if you're looking to maintain the status quo? I'm genuinely lost.
I don't usually give people entire articles to read in my conversations in the comments. But I covered the topic of race and IQ fairly extensively here (https://steveqj.medium.com/what-if-black-people-are-just-stupid-8162b47199a6).
Max:
You highlighted my definition of racism then claim I'm saying "black people are genetically inferior". Where did I say that I believed that? (I read your other piece so yes, this topic is a "trainwreck"). And writing that I think you have a "low IQ". Is that fair? I had hoped we would be friends ;)
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