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Kill all of Hamas even if it means killing an unlimited number of non-combatant Palestinians is probably a lingering result of hatred for Muslim Arabs after the 9-11 takedown of the World Trade Center. The desire for revenges leads to a Hatfield–McCoy feud that can go on for far too long.

Some have seen these words from me before, but I'll write them again. I had not been in Vietnam long when I saw the bodies of dead Viet Cong sappers found dead in the wire after the previous night's action. Their body's broken from gunfire, bones snapped and protruding from their skin, intestines in plain view. They were young, mostly about 13 years old. My first thought was that their mothers were waiting for them. My next thought was, so is mine. I was 18. They were child soldiers who had come to kill me. They were the enemy. The children who appeared on the road wherever we stopped after a truck hit a mine or we waited to cross a pontoon bridge were not the enemy. If a VC popped up in their midst, I would have chosen my M-16 in preference to a frag.

America was aghast when it learned of the My Lai massacre. Most of America anyway. Sadly, Isriel, America's darling, seems to have fewer detractors as they frag the children at the bridge.

𝐈n 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞'𝐬, 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧. 𝐈'𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐬𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐥'𝐬 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥, 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐚 𝐧𝐨𝐧-𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐲𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭? 𝐘𝐨𝐮! 𝐂𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨 𝐢𝐭?

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I dunno, this is a very tough one. I have to admit, Tom is bringing up a lot of good points, but you're also saying what I started saying in the last few weeks - yeah, maybe the 'g' word fits the Israelis here too, even if they haven't formally declared war on the Palestinians' existence like Hamas and the Pals' religion has. It's why I really have to hold my nose to say anything supportive of the Pals, because they are *so tainted* with millennia-long Jew hatred - but so are the Jews, with their ancient enemies, and the real tragedy is they're all related genetically. But...and I wrote about this recently, Time pointed out that one doesn't have to declare formal genocide for it to be so. Actions count for a lot, and this is looking very, well, genocidey.

Let's remember, when we're talking about land-stealing to talk about *all* the land-stealers in this scenario, like the ancestors of many of today's Pals who invaded, colonized, settled, and oppressed in the 7th century and after. Let's remember that some Pals *and* Jews have lived there continuously for many hundreds, even thousands of years. Let's remember that many of the people living there now came from somewhere else. That the Jews *literally have no place else to go* because they fled Europe in the last century and the Arab countries pushed many of them out after the creation of Israel. So the Arab world can just suck it. They contributed mightily to this mess.

At this point the Pal death toll is ~25,000 (so sez Al Jazeera and CNN but I don't know how accurate that is) but it's definitely over 20K and that's looooong past payback for October 7.

Still...I vacillate because they *both* have to live there, and *some* on both sides favour a two-state solution, Hamas & Netanyahu agree there shouldn't be, and I come back to WHY THE FUCK DID YOU PEOPLE VOTE FOR THAT YAHOO AGAIN? and HEY, HOW'S THAT HAMAS VOTE WORKING OUT FOR YOU?

What it keeps coming back to is...who's worse? I'm not sure, but I give a slight edge to Hamas/Palestinians because....expressed genocide. Esp in the Koran (where i learned the Jews have *one* tree that protects them.)

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